Even if you don’t believe in tithing, the Word say we will reap what we sow. If we sow a little, we will reap a little. If we sow a lot, we reap a lot. This is even a physical reality. Do we want a 12 x 12 garden or a bumper crop?I don’t believe if you give $1, you’ll get $4 or $100 back necessarily, but I do believe when you need it, God will see that you have it. He is faithful!When you bless others who need it, the blessing returns to you. They even teach you in the secular world to give back. When you give out of a pure heart because it is the right thing to do, God will bless that. It makes sense that it would work corporately too________________More of Him…less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name
Don’t you just love that Brad is so concerned about the Tithe of Tithe?The financial model of a church he is NOT a part of.Hey Brad, let us know when you go to a church of England board or a Catholic board or a Mormon bulletin board and discuss their finances with them________________
I believe IF you look at Brother Hill you will find an honest man who is looking for answers. I do not know Bro Hill but I think that his message over all should be read as seeing his heart, not trying to decide by the possible wording (or mis-wording) that would never satisfy everyone. That has been proven here in discussions of the tithe. WE have COG pastors and members who Believe STRONGLY in TITHE. My wife is one member who think the tithe is REQUIRED, so since I would give that much and more anyway, I never argue. I know the money in most cases is needed.We have ministers and members who give more than 10% and DO NOT BELIEVE THE TITHE IS NOW REQUIRED!I do not know for sure my own self, I do know it is wrong to give to get.But to the post, I firmly believe Bro. Hill’s heart is in the right place and he is a man of God. Most humans can be cornered as to their English useage EVEN HERE ON ACTS where educated men (seldom women) misuse the English language……. Proven by one of the longest running Posts on Acts concerning i.e. yours and you’re. its and it’s! ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Are we already blessed with every blessing that can be spoken in Christ (Eph 1:3; Gal 3:9)?Or are we blessed if we tithe?Please provide scripture for your views. Notice that he did not say that ONLY if you tithe are you blessed.Notice that he did not say that you MUST tithe to be blessed.Notice that he did not say that tithing is commanded for NT believers.He wisely stayed within very acceptable parameters.I love the song Sweet Holy Spirit which has a verse that says:There are blessing you cannot receive
Are we already blessed with every blessing that can be spoken in Christ (Eph 1:3; Gal 3:9)?Or are we blessed if we tithe?Please provide scripture for your views. Notice that he did not say that ONLY if you tithe are you blessed.Notice that he did not say that you MUST tithe to be blessed.Notice that he did not say that tithing is commanded for NT believers.He wisely stayed within very acceptable parameters.I love the song Sweet Holy Spirit which has a verse that says:There are blessing you cannot receive
I think you rightly emphasized the significance of a 2-letter word…IF. If makes it conditional.If, in this context, means there is an unfulfilled promise, doesn’t it?If you give, you will be blessed.
Thanks Carolyn,Sowers sow seed. Seed is the word of the kingdom according to Jesus. In the context of 2 Cor 8,9, Paul is encouraging the Corinthians to give to needy folks and expect a harvest for their efforts. 2 Cor 9:10Now He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the
I am concerned about it. I was concerned about during my time in the COG. I wrote a long email the General Overseer about it years ago.Tithing is wrongly taught in many churches…not just the COG. Jesus fulfilled the tithe, opened the windows of Heaven and poured out on us every blessing in Heavenly places.Jesus was the firstborn offered, the firstfruits offered in the third year of His ministry.Jesus was meat in the storehouse for the widow, the orphan, the alien and the Levite (with no inheritance). His flesh was meat indeed.Jesus was tithe that lifted every curse and destroyed the works of the thief.When we rely on any part of the law as our basis for blessing, we put ourselves back under that system of blessing and cursing and find ourselves obligated to keep the whole law or we get a curse.When we rely on Jesus as the fulfillment of the law, we find ourselves blessed with believing Abraham and redeemed from the curse. See Gal 3:1-9.I simply asked questions about Tim Hill’s statements. You can stick your head in the sand, stick your fingers in your ears and throw rocks at me…or you can think. Is God selling blessing? Or, when He gave us Christ, did He freely give us ALL things?Rom 8:32He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also
Hey Brad,I really have no beef with you but your seemingly constant correction of CoG teachings and leaders makes me believe you feel you are right when everybody else is wrong. Has God called you to save the CoG membership?Not trying to pick a fight but I have to ask why you feel the urge to continue picking apart everything CoG?
That God is selling blessings. Seed time and harvest may be principles that farmers live by,but God does not require us to sow a financial seed in order to obtain a blessing from Him. That is WOF heresy.I do believe in giving abundantly to the Lord’s work,call it tithes,offerings,or whatever. I also believe that if I am faithful to God in all things, He will supply my needs. I have been without food because I took the weekly grocery money and paid my tithe,only to see a car pull into my driveway with sacks of food. I never once considered that blessing came as a result of me tithing,but because I was trying to live faithfully in ALL things.I am convinced that if I had no money to give that I would still be blessed for two primary reasons: 1) because of what Christ has already done for me,and 2) because I am committed to serving Him irrespective of my financial situation________________“Hell will be filled with people that didn’t cuss, didn’t drink, and may even have been baptized. Why? Because none of those things makes someone a Christian.”
Do you believe He will supply your needs if you are unfaithful in some things________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Are we already blessed with every blessing that can be spoken in Christ (Eph 1:3; Gal 3:9)?Or are we blessed if we tithe?Please provide scripture for your views. Please guys, don’t get into discussion with freeman about our Overseer. In my opinion, he does not have the right to mention our Leader about any issue.Again, please don’t get involved with this thread.
Thanks Carolyn,Sowers sow seed. Seed is the word of the kingdom according to Jesus. In the context of 2 Cor 8,9, Paul is encouraging the Corinthians to give to needy folks and expect a harvest for their efforts. 2 Cor 9:10Now He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the
Your Leader is my brother________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Jesus is telling His listeners that, if God cares for birds and flowers without them sowing or reaping or toiling or spinning, He will surely do it for us.I agree that any expression of the love of God in us toward others can sow the message of His love into their hearts. But Jesus clearly taught that the seed is a message (see the parable of the sower).As for 2 Cor 8and 9, Paul start in 8:1 by reminding the Corinthians how the afflicted church in Macedonia had generously given to the support of the saints and how the Corinthians had pledged to do the same. This is the crux of these 2 chapters. It’s about how the Corinthians generous support of the saints will reap a harvest of thanksgiving from those who were struggling.
you get the notion that COGGH is desperate________________
Even if you don’t believe in tithing, the Word say we will reap what we sow. If we sow a little, we will reap a little. If we sow a lot, we reap a lot. This is even a physical reality. Do we want a 12 x 12 garden or a bumper crop?I don’t believe if you give $1, you’ll get $4 or $100 back necessarily, but I do believe when you need it, God will see that you have it. He is faithful!When you bless others who need it, the blessing returns to you. They even teach you in the secular world to give back. When you give out of a pure heart because it is the right thing to do, God will bless that. It makes sense that it would work corporately too________________More of Him…less of me.twitter.com/camiracle77www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691241499&ref=name
Don’t you just love that Brad is so concerned about the Tithe of Tithe?The financial model of a church he is NOT a part of.Hey Brad, let us know when you go to a church of England board or a Catholic board or a Mormon bulletin board and discuss their finances with them________________
I believe IF you look at Brother Hill you will find an honest man who is looking for answers. I do not know Bro Hill but I think that his message over all should be read as seeing his heart, not trying to decide by the possible wording (or mis-wording) that would never satisfy everyone. That has been proven here in discussions of the tithe. WE have COG pastors and members who Believe STRONGLY in TITHE. My wife is one member who think the tithe is REQUIRED, so since I would give that much and more anyway, I never argue. I know the money in most cases is needed.We have ministers and members who give more than 10% and DO NOT BELIEVE THE TITHE IS NOW REQUIRED!I do not know for sure my own self, I do know it is wrong to give to get.But to the post, I firmly believe Bro. Hill’s heart is in the right place and he is a man of God. Most humans can be cornered as to their English useage EVEN HERE ON ACTS where educated men (seldom women) misuse the English language……. Proven by one of the longest running Posts on Acts concerning i.e. yours and you’re. its and it’s! ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Are we already blessed with every blessing that can be spoken in Christ (Eph 1:3; Gal 3:9)?Or are we blessed if we tithe?Please provide scripture for your views. Notice that he did not say that ONLY if you tithe are you blessed.Notice that he did not say that you MUST tithe to be blessed.Notice that he did not say that tithing is commanded for NT believers.He wisely stayed within very acceptable parameters.I love the song Sweet Holy Spirit which has a verse that says:There are blessing you cannot receive
________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Are we already blessed with every blessing that can be spoken in Christ (Eph 1:3; Gal 3:9)?Or are we blessed if we tithe?Please provide scripture for your views. Notice that he did not say that ONLY if you tithe are you blessed.Notice that he did not say that you MUST tithe to be blessed.Notice that he did not say that tithing is commanded for NT believers.He wisely stayed within very acceptable parameters.I love the song Sweet Holy Spirit which has a verse that says:There are blessing you cannot receive
I think you rightly emphasized the significance of a 2-letter word…IF. If makes it conditional.If, in this context, means there is an unfulfilled promise, doesn’t it?If you give, you will be blessed.
Thanks Carolyn,Sowers sow seed. Seed is the word of the kingdom according to Jesus. In the context of 2 Cor 8,9, Paul is encouraging the Corinthians to give to needy folks and expect a harvest for their efforts. 2 Cor 9:10Now He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the
I am concerned about it. I was concerned about during my time in the COG. I wrote a long email the General Overseer about it years ago.Tithing is wrongly taught in many churches…not just the COG. Jesus fulfilled the tithe, opened the windows of Heaven and poured out on us every blessing in Heavenly places.Jesus was the firstborn offered, the firstfruits offered in the third year of His ministry.Jesus was meat in the storehouse for the widow, the orphan, the alien and the Levite (with no inheritance). His flesh was meat indeed.Jesus was tithe that lifted every curse and destroyed the works of the thief.When we rely on any part of the law as our basis for blessing, we put ourselves back under that system of blessing and cursing and find ourselves obligated to keep the whole law or we get a curse.When we rely on Jesus as the fulfillment of the law, we find ourselves blessed with believing Abraham and redeemed from the curse. See Gal 3:1-9.I simply asked questions about Tim Hill’s statements. You can stick your head in the sand, stick your fingers in your ears and throw rocks at me…or you can think. Is God selling blessing? Or, when He gave us Christ, did He freely give us ALL things?Rom 8:32He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also
Hey Brad,I really have no beef with you but your seemingly constant correction of CoG teachings and leaders makes me believe you feel you are right when everybody else is wrong. Has God called you to save the CoG membership?Not trying to pick a fight but I have to ask why you feel the urge to continue picking apart everything CoG?
That God is selling blessings. Seed time and harvest may be principles that farmers live by,but God does not require us to sow a financial seed in order to obtain a blessing from Him. That is WOF heresy.I do believe in giving abundantly to the Lord’s work,call it tithes,offerings,or whatever. I also believe that if I am faithful to God in all things, He will supply my needs. I have been without food because I took the weekly grocery money and paid my tithe,only to see a car pull into my driveway with sacks of food. I never once considered that blessing came as a result of me tithing,but because I was trying to live faithfully in ALL things.I am convinced that if I had no money to give that I would still be blessed for two primary reasons: 1) because of what Christ has already done for me,and 2) because I am committed to serving Him irrespective of my financial situation________________“Hell will be filled with people that didn’t cuss, didn’t drink, and may even have been baptized. Why? Because none of those things makes someone a Christian.”
Thanks Wayne,It may
Do you believe He will supply your needs if you are unfaithful in some things________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
experience has proven God to be faithful even when we are unfaithful.I believe in common grace________________
Are we already blessed with every blessing that can be spoken in Christ (Eph 1:3; Gal 3:9)?Or are we blessed if we tithe?Please provide scripture for your views. Please guys, don’t get into discussion with freeman about our Overseer. In my opinion, he does not have the right to mention our Leader about any issue.Again, please don’t get involved with this thread.
Thanks Carolyn,Sowers sow seed. Seed is the word of the kingdom according to Jesus. In the context of 2 Cor 8,9, Paul is encouraging the Corinthians to give to needy folks and expect a harvest for their efforts. 2 Cor 9:10Now He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the
Your Leader is my brother________________I’m not saved because I’m good. I’m saved because He’s good!My website: http://www.bradfreeman.comMy blog: bradcfreeman.tumblr.com/
Jesus is telling His listeners that, if God cares for birds and flowers without them sowing or reaping or toiling or spinning, He will surely do it for us.I agree that any expression of the love of God in us toward others can sow the message of His love into their hearts. But Jesus clearly taught that the seed is a message (see the parable of the sower).As for 2 Cor 8and 9, Paul start in 8:1 by reminding the Corinthians how the afflicted church in Macedonia had generously given to the support of the saints and how the Corinthians had pledged to do the same. This is the crux of these 2 chapters. It’s about how the Corinthians generous support of the saints will reap a harvest of thanksgiving from those who were struggling.