After watching, I came across these words from Thomas Wolfe, written in the 1930’s. ” we are an unspeakable utterance, an insatiable hunger, a twist of passion, existing on a moment’s flame of love and ecstasy. We are the dupes of time.”
It’s supposed to be good for the good of all people but then greed & power, waste & looking out for themselves has put us trillions in debt with no way out. And then there is this nasty flood & some of us stay on vacation & play golf !!!
Tony, the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars put us deeply in debt and then the enormous expense of homeland security and yet must be kept secret so that our enemies don’t gloat. Yet the gov. is worth about 60 trillion and percentage wise is no deeper in debt than most households. Yeah, we’ll make it !
The flesh fights to control and we r tempted by satan to sin by the flesh. But we r encouraged not to sin by obeying the word, reading and praying daily. Women were encouraged to wear dresses and not slacks or jeans to church.
Many formerly strong churches were destroyed or weakened by sending in pastors who should have never been allowed to preach. I know of several who made a career of destroying churches yet were allowed to keep doing such for decades.
Charles
How do you evaluate and what do you consider productive?
For that matter, non-productive?
Are you just figuring numbers of actual attendees? And is that 3 services a week average or 2 or one service per week.
Names on the role – that have not attended in years(s)?
Churches low in attendance that are debt free?
Small churches that are debit free and not only support themselves but support missions, covenant sister states, the children’s home, and a retired minister’s widow?
bottom line a church that can/will pay a pastor a salary required by the Assembly Minutes. Certainly that is not all inclusive as to productive.
If a church wants to have one Sunday service and wants to stay small and self confined there are pastors to accommodate them and let them be as long as they pay the bills.
They are local churches and want as much autonomy as they can have.
In the Bible, churches generally met in homes. There is no reference to the ‘church building’ as we know it. 50 people is a pretty big group for a house church. How about getting away from the specialized building format, and the pulpit-pew format while we are away from it and get back to I Corinthians 14:26 style meetings?
Of course, having a denomination with a denominational HQ like the COG (Cleveland) has isn’t in the Bible, either and isn’t the way the Bible indicates or teaches things should be set up, either.
There are quite a number of churches with 1/2 doz to a doz attendees struggling to keep lights on and a service, rather than shut it down and attend somewhere else with their support. There is a time when it becomes necessary to turn off life support and let die. I agree with you Charles Page, good observation and comment.
After watching, I came across these words from Thomas Wolfe, written in the 1930’s. ” we are an unspeakable utterance, an insatiable hunger, a twist of passion, existing on a moment’s flame of love and ecstasy. We are the dupes of time.”
What! I thought anything government was evil!
Only when associated with Clintons and Obama
It’s supposed to be good for the good of all people but then greed & power, waste & looking out for themselves has put us trillions in debt with no way out. And then there is this nasty flood & some of us stay on vacation & play golf !!!
Tony, the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars put us deeply in debt and then the enormous expense of homeland security and yet must be kept secret so that our enemies don’t gloat. Yet the gov. is worth about 60 trillion and percentage wise is no deeper in debt than most households. Yeah, we’ll make it !
Can you name the COG preacher so we can get a better understanding of what he means.
This sounds like modern dominionism preaching and yes it includes a lot of mysticism.
The flesh fights to control and we r tempted by satan to sin by the flesh. But we r encouraged not to sin by obeying the word, reading and praying daily. Women were encouraged to wear dresses and not slacks or jeans to church.
Rick warren is into that mystic special understanding of the word
I’m not understanding what you mean by mystical in reference to the Spirit of God. Please explain.
Many formerly strong churches were destroyed or weakened by sending in pastors who should have never been allowed to preach. I know of several who made a career of destroying churches yet were allowed to keep doing such for decades.
Charles
How do you evaluate and what do you consider productive?
For that matter, non-productive?
Are you just figuring numbers of actual attendees? And is that 3 services a week average or 2 or one service per week.
Names on the role – that have not attended in years(s)?
Churches low in attendance that are debt free?
Small churches that are debit free and not only support themselves but support missions, covenant sister states, the children’s home, and a retired minister’s widow?
So how are you determining non-productive?
bottom line a church that can/will pay a pastor a salary required by the Assembly Minutes. Certainly that is not all inclusive as to productive.
If a church wants to have one Sunday service and wants to stay small and self confined there are pastors to accommodate them and let them be as long as they pay the bills.
They are local churches and want as much autonomy as they can have.
In the Bible, churches generally met in homes. There is no reference to the ‘church building’ as we know it. 50 people is a pretty big group for a house church. How about getting away from the specialized building format, and the pulpit-pew format while we are away from it and get back to I Corinthians 14:26 style meetings?
Of course, having a denomination with a denominational HQ like the COG (Cleveland) has isn’t in the Bible, either and isn’t the way the Bible indicates or teaches things should be set up, either.
There are quite a number of churches with 1/2 doz to a doz attendees struggling to keep lights on and a service, rather than shut it down and attend somewhere else with their support. There is a time when it becomes necessary to turn off life support and let die. I agree with you Charles Page, good observation and comment.
Point plank,
It would have to be done on a church by church basis.
It could not be done by a blanket statement and judgement.