1 Cor 14:34Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive,
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1 Cor 14:34Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive,
In my opinion, based on how Paul couches the law in his writings, he is being sarcastic because the law does NOT say this. He is repudiating the exclusion of women by citing this very phrase that most probably was a quote from an earlier letter to him.In v 36 he seems to blow this away by reminding them that his teaching/leadership fully allowed women a place at the table. He is daring them to go against him as he has been given Divine authority in this________________Live an epiK life!Discover More…www.refocusing.orgA Mission in Formationwww.bluewaterinthekeys.com
Interesting take. I also question the my Bible refers to Genesis 3 comment. Genesis 3
Here are some comments from Craig Keener on this verse.Scholars have read this passage from various angles. Most likely the passage addresses disruptive questions in an environment where silence was expected of new learners–which most women were. It also addresses a broader social context in which women were expected not to speak much with men to whom they were not related, as a matter of propriety. Paul thus upholds church order and avoids appearances of social impropriety; he also supports learning before speaking. None of these principles prohibit women in very different cultural settings from speaking God’s word.
When read with 12 & 13, 14 continues to address bringing order to the chaos prevailing in Corinth in general. The abuse of spiritual gifts, in particular tongues, create a chaotic scene and required guidelines. The latter part of 14 addresses these issues and vv. 40 makes the point: But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.It is not hard to conclude Paul addresses the issue of women remaining silent, etc., because things had gotten out of hand and order needed to be restored.There is no reason to doubt that once order is restored, liberty can be exercised in a spirit of love, which is greater than faith and hope________________The HammerMi kamocah ba’elim AdonaiWho is like you, Adonai, among the mighty? (Exodus 15:11
Just an observation:
If the women are required to keep quite, this aint just a mandate to refrain from preachin. If taken literally, Christian gals…………1. Can’t preach.2. Can’t teach a SS class.3. Can’t sing in the choir.4 Can’t sneeze/cough.5. Can’t testity
If the women are required to keep quite, this aint just a mandate to refrain from preachin. If taken literally, Christian gals…………1. Can’t preach.2. Can’t teach a SS class.3. Can’t sing in the choir.4 Can’t sneeze/cough.5. Can’t testityNope the ole gals gotta remain silent. Do you mean taken literally or taken out of context? Just asking.Hmm, I’m not sure about #5.
Just an observation:Even in verse 39 of chapter 14 he tells both brothers and sisters they should be eager to speak in tongues and prophecy but it should be done in an orderly way. And it is not difficult to notice both brothers and sisters beginning his instructions in verses 26 – 33. On the other hand, some translations don’t include ‘and sisters in either verse. Although, 11:5 does seem to support women prophesying and it’s definitely talking about a women or wife. Good catch, back at ya, Bonnie.
Yes, I looked that up last night in a couple of versions to see. The KJV had brethren and the NIV had brothers and sisters. I looked at the Strong’s definition of the word used there, adelphos and figured it would depend on context whether women were included. However, since it concerns speaking in tongues, singing, interpreting, and prophesying, we should be able to deduce that it includes women. (Though that deduction might just be a bridge too far for some of our bishops.)In any case, the reference in chapter 11 to women prophesying is very specific in gender, so clear that even… okay, that’s enough snark for one post, lol.
Bonnie
I quoted the NKJV.You brought up my point. My real question was does this apply to the New Covenant. If not why was it placed in Paul’s writings. Paul is the one who had the most to say about the New Covenant.Did a translator miss something here? If not this is a bit confusing to me.I was hoping Brad Freeman would respond to this________________Recorded Sermons @ http://www.pastorwiley.com
Larry, there is a significant difference in saying For the man is to rule over his wife, and saying, as the NKJV says,To the woman He said:“I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;In pain you shall bring forth children;Your desire shall be for your husband,
If the women are required to keep quite, this aint just a mandate to refrain from preachin. If taken literally, Christian gals…………1. Can’t preach.2. Can’t teach a SS class.3. Can’t sing in the choir.4 Can’t sneeze/cough.5. Can’t testityNope the ole gals gotta remain silent.
Perhaps a point of interest, I read an article that says the word quiet in 1 Timothy 2:12doesn’t mean complete silence but subdued or quieter. This seems to lend support to the argument about disruptions.I am also curious about the word tradition in 1 Corinthians 11:2.
If the women are required to keep quite, this aint just a mandate to refrain from preachin. If taken literally, Christian gals…………1. Can’t preach.2. Can’t teach a SS class.3. Can’t sing in the choir.4 Can’t sneeze/cough.5. Can’t testityNope the ole gals gotta remain silent. And if that was upheld in the COG, 75% of the Churches would have to close.
This was part of the curse….and there is redemption from the curse________________Live an epiK life!Discover More…www.refocusing.orgA Mission in Formationwww.bluewaterinthekeys.com
This was part of the curse….and there is redemption from the curse.
Ole Timer, I worked with a woman who said she was under hypnosis when she went through childbirth, and she claimed it was a piece of cake.That’s just a little side note.