Why do we not use clerical collars? If you do, tell us when, where, why.If not, why?
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For those who have a quick temper, it might be the thing that makes one think twice before berating a cook or a clerk who is at least working for a living instead of drawing welfare. Knowing that you are BRANDED! I have known preachers make a fool of themselves in sports clothes ‘chewing out a fast food guy for being slow, and most folk did not know he was a preacher. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Dude! I was so going to get one after attending my first Earl Paulk conference back in the 80’s. But it was all a bit weird.You know, if a clerical collar is associated with celibacy, Earl Paul sure cleared that up. The 80’s? This is a new season!!
Dude! I was so going to get one after attending my first Earl Paulk conference back in the 80’s. But it was all a bit weird.You know, if a clerical collar is associated with celibacy, Earl Paul sure cleared that up.
Wow, what a revelatory moment indeed in the 80’s when you became keenly aware that the existence of commonality was zilch between Archbishop Pearly Paulk and the collar of celibacy.
I have/wear the tab collar from time to time – like at weddings where the wedding party is all dressed up (tux, etc), I think the minister should represent the church well and not look like a wedding guest in just a suit and tie.The collar is great for civic events when the clergy needs to be recognized, and in emergency situations it gets you into places (hospitals, accidents, crime scenes, etc) with a lot less explaining of who you are. The collar is respected on the streets by gang members and police alike.The collar has its place and for people from more formal church backgrounds it is very much a part of their religious identity.It is not a sign of authority, that would be the sash worn when in full regalia.
What he said. True, having learned it in a military environment. Lot of respect to the chaplain________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Dude! I was so going to get one after attending my first Earl Paulk conference back in the 80’s. But it was all a bit weird.You know, if a clerical collar is associated with celibacy, Earl Paul sure cleared that up.
The clerical collar in my mind promotes the whole clergy-laity distinction, where you see the ordained as special holy ‘men of the cloth’ who levitate two inches above the ground, and the rest of the folks as poor mere regular folk. The whole model doesn’t fit well with the perspective we see in I Corinthians 12 and Romans 12and other passages where every believer has a role to play in the body and gifts and ministries are scattered throughout the body. The ministry of prophet is important even though he may not be ‘ordained’ and may not wear a collar. And would apostles wear collars or just elders? Think about a first century context. Who would you put the collars on? I suppose we could have all Christian wear collars. But it is just clothing, and I’m reading my own thoughts and perceptions into what it symbolizes. Since the Protestant Reformation, different Protestants have also been against all kinds of clerical garb at certain times in history because they see it as promoting papist thought or culture.Something I found strange was to see a young woman in Indonesia in her 20’s come out of a hospital wearing a blouse that looked like a Roman Catholic priests black outfit with the little white collar thing in front, but she was wearing a black skirt. There are Reformed Protestants over there, and even at least one group of Charismatics who had their own denomination (but had a lot of COG guest speakers) had a pastor who wore a collar. Some of these groups ordain women. It was weird for me to see a feminized version of the RCC outfit, though________________
I feel there is a time and place for a clerical collar, but each has to make the choice for themselves. It seems no more a uniform then a tee-shirt (maybe with the Apple logo to be really cool), Jeans, sandals and a large cross handing from the neck. One style is no more spiritual than the other, but there is a time and a place for both.Now what I find sad is the acceptance of a minister of the Gospel carrying a concealed pistol (just in case he needs to defend himself by taking someone’s life) while at the same time condemning those who find a collar helpful.
I sometimes wear a clergy shirt when I teach for these two reasons:1. It is a way for me to practice the spiritual discipline of simplicity by taking minimal concern for my appearance—solid black clothing with no accessories except a pectoral crucifix, and a lack of “What will I wear today?/Does this match?”/etc.
This gives me an idea– A T-Shirt with a clerical collar drawn on it, a kind of clergy T-shirt so a preacher can be kind of traditional, but still be hip and wear a T-shirt________________
This gives me an idea– A T-Shirt with a clerical collar drawn on it, a kind of clergy T-shirt so a preacher can be kind of traditional, but still be hip and wear a T-shirt. You mean like those tuxedo shirts or those naked body on a t-shirt shirts. I think for the most part the effort of the dressed-down minister is to look like a guy who is so secure and anti-cultural normal (as in, we don’t do church at our church). The very semblance of an expression of the higher-calling of ministry would be anathema and counter to his counter-culture expression of Christianity. In his community the collar if worn would be a statement of irony. To them, better a Apple logo or Harley shirt than a collar or even a coat and tie.
For me, the clerical collar clearly reinforces the unbiblical distinction between clergy and laity.The priesthood of all believers is a fundamental Gospel truth, and essential to the operation of a healthy church. Having a uniform, or special dress, for one section of believers undermines that truth________________Senior Pastor, Solid Rock Church, DroghedaNational Overseer, Church of God, IrelandExecutive Director, Evangelical Alliance Irelandeaiseanchai.wordpress.com/
Dude! I was so going to get one after attending my first Earl Paulk conference back in the 80’s. But it was all a bit weird.You know, if a clerical collar is associated with celibacy, Earl Paulk sure cleared that up. Yeah – I wonder what it does mean then – if Paulk is the arbiter of collars________________
For those who have a quick temper, it might be the thing that makes one think twice before berating a cook or a clerk who is at least working for a living instead of drawing welfare. Knowing that you are BRANDED! I have known preachers make a fool of themselves in sports clothes ‘chewing out a fast food guy for being slow, and most folk did not know he was a preacher. ________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Dude! I was so going to get one after attending my first Earl Paulk conference back in the 80’s. But it was all a bit weird.You know, if a clerical collar is associated with celibacy, Earl Paul sure cleared that up. The 80’s? This is a new season!!
Dude! I was so going to get one after attending my first Earl Paulk conference back in the 80’s. But it was all a bit weird.You know, if a clerical collar is associated with celibacy, Earl Paul sure cleared that up.
Re: Why do we not use clerical collars?
Wow, what a revelatory moment indeed in the 80’s when you became keenly aware that the existence of commonality was zilch between Archbishop Pearly Paulk and the collar of celibacy.
I have/wear the "tab" collar …
I have/wear the tab collar from time to time – like at weddings where the wedding party is all dressed up (tux, etc), I think the minister should represent the church well and not look like a wedding guest in just a suit and tie.The collar is great for civic events when the clergy needs to be recognized, and in emergency situations it gets you into places (hospitals, accidents, crime scenes, etc) with a lot less explaining of who you are. The collar is respected on the streets by gang members and police alike.The collar has its place and for people from more formal church backgrounds it is very much a part of their religious identity.It is not a sign of authority, that would be the sash worn when in full regalia.
What he said. True, having learned it in a military environment. Lot of respect to the chaplain________________Some facts but mostly just my [email protected]/
Dude! I was so going to get one after attending my first Earl Paulk conference back in the 80’s. But it was all a bit weird.You know, if a clerical collar is associated with celibacy, Earl Paul sure cleared that up.
The clerical collar in my mind promotes the whole clergy-laity distinction, where you see the ordained as special holy ‘men of the cloth’ who levitate two inches above the ground, and the rest of the folks as poor mere regular folk. The whole model doesn’t fit well with the perspective we see in I Corinthians 12 and Romans 12and other passages where every believer has a role to play in the body and gifts and ministries are scattered throughout the body. The ministry of prophet is important even though he may not be ‘ordained’ and may not wear a collar. And would apostles wear collars or just elders? Think about a first century context. Who would you put the collars on? I suppose we could have all Christian wear collars. But it is just clothing, and I’m reading my own thoughts and perceptions into what it symbolizes. Since the Protestant Reformation, different Protestants have also been against all kinds of clerical garb at certain times in history because they see it as promoting papist thought or culture.Something I found strange was to see a young woman in Indonesia in her 20’s come out of a hospital wearing a blouse that looked like a Roman Catholic priests black outfit with the little white collar thing in front, but she was wearing a black skirt. There are Reformed Protestants over there, and even at least one group of Charismatics who had their own denomination (but had a lot of COG guest speakers) had a pastor who wore a collar. Some of these groups ordain women. It was weird for me to see a feminized version of the RCC outfit, though________________
I feel there is a time and place for a clerical collar, but each has to make the choice for themselves. It seems no more a uniform then a tee-shirt (maybe with the Apple logo to be really cool), Jeans, sandals and a large cross handing from the neck. One style is no more spiritual than the other, but there is a time and a place for both.Now what I find sad is the acceptance of a minister of the Gospel carrying a concealed pistol (just in case he needs to defend himself by taking someone’s life) while at the same time condemning those who find a collar helpful.
I sometimes wear a clergy shirt when I teach for these two reasons:1. It is a way for me to practice the spiritual discipline of simplicity by taking minimal concern for my appearance—solid black clothing with no accessories except a pectoral crucifix, and a lack of “What will I wear today?/Does this match?”/etc.
Re: I feel there is a time and place …
This gives me an idea– A T-Shirt with a clerical collar drawn on it, a kind of clergy T-shirt so a preacher can be kind of traditional, but still be hip and wear a T-shirt________________
This gives me an idea– A T-Shirt with a clerical collar drawn on it, a kind of clergy T-shirt so a preacher can be kind of traditional, but still be hip and wear a T-shirt. You mean like those tuxedo shirts or those naked body on a t-shirt shirts. I think for the most part the effort of the dressed-down minister is to look like a guy who is so secure and anti-cultural normal (as in, we don’t do church at our church). The very semblance of an expression of the higher-calling of ministry would be anathema and counter to his counter-culture expression of Christianity. In his community the collar if worn would be a statement of irony. To them, better a Apple logo or Harley shirt than a collar or even a coat and tie.
For me, the clerical collar clearly reinforces the unbiblical distinction between clergy and laity.The priesthood of all believers is a fundamental Gospel truth, and essential to the operation of a healthy church. Having a uniform, or special dress, for one section of believers undermines that truth________________Senior Pastor, Solid Rock Church, DroghedaNational Overseer, Church of God, IrelandExecutive Director, Evangelical Alliance Irelandeaiseanchai.wordpress.com/
Re: Why do we not use clerical collars?
Dude! I was so going to get one after attending my first Earl Paulk conference back in the 80’s. But it was all a bit weird.You know, if a clerical collar is associated with celibacy, Earl Paulk sure cleared that up. Yeah – I wonder what it does mean then – if Paulk is the arbiter of collars________________